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I'm alive Paula okay everyone we got a

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little bit bored of the scene it's the

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same I'll facings

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same old places same old cases we

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decided we wanted to have some

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conversations I met some people recently

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Philip Kinsella and NK crammed Earl Grey

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you know quite a lot of people that

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probably feel a little bit more

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enthusiastic about writing about my own

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stuff about talking about my own stuff

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and actually bringing people out and

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talking to people who we don't see all

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the time you know I mean no probably

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somebody Kaveri about what happened to

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me but this year the other two witnesses

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are coming forward but until that time

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we thought we'd do something different

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and we're just going to do these videos

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and have chats and talk about our

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experiences parlor I met in 2012 where

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she was having experiences with the

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greys and they just sort of turned up in

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my life as well and I didn't really even

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though obviously I knew what I'd read

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about the grace my experiences when was

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such so we met a really fortuitous time

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which makes us think that it wasn't

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altogether like accidental and we had

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some ideas together and Polly is a truly

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fascinating person and their experiences

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just need to be heard so I want let's

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just kick this off by talking to her

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about this for a while about cataloging

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things would be writing them down both

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videos are good everyone likes to watch

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a video so we thought we'd start with

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the video so here we are in 2012

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yeah and you give me at least banker for

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that at least you'd also be having some

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weird experiences and like little

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psychic moments and knowing you got my

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house because you've lived in the same

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street Avenue all your life you know so

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your daughter was having little moments

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of kind of like psychic clarity and you

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were told you told me that you were told

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that they were called time slips I was

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Jay yes he said that the time slips and

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when I can't remember

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I think she's psychic basically and

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intuitive ah we know we have talked

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about this before ever worry about

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telepathy psychic Tbilisi about it being

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telepathy and obviously when we interact

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with the grace from a very young age

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they don't talk they use apathy so we

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probably communicate telepathically

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before we can speak you know use of deaf

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people they can sign before they can

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speak but so I think that's why a lot of

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us have these abilities don't be able to

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read each other three situations places

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so think that's pretty much what was

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actually going on but that's what

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brought us together anyway and you came

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to visit me in my house and then blew my

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mind you know kind of talking about

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their experiences like we live in it you

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know they're not like you know you're

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not telling us

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UPenn in a picture is the difference and

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by the picture I was just John on the

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floor like this woman is saw something

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the truth with painstaking detail every

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little bit

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you wanted me there in the moment so

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yeah just say you know I wish that thing

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could happen where one day it might

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happen where we can see each other you

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know when I'm talking about somebody

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will happen in future where we can

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technology because it's kind of go into

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the way where it can you know my brain

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waves and recreate images images that

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are on the net obviously but that's in

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its infancy when the technology develops

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I would really like to have my brain

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plugged into it right now you know what

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the nature of them are because you know

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some of them don't feel real some of

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them feel more like inserts I feel like

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setup Sofia

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yeah you know is it a dream is it is it

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something else and when we can map the

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brain wave of an abductee we can tell

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our that's false memory are you dreamt

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my oh no you were wide awake when that

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happens you know over with you know I'm

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looking forward to that kind of thing

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and I don't see why anybody would refuse

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to subject themselves to it if they're

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genuinely want to know the nature of

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what happens to them they think yeah

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can you give me a moment

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no no no sorry

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well you know this is not a professional

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outfit is it we're not in Australia just

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we may new van weird stuff happen to us

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and we're just sort of like trying to

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figure out the nature of our experiences

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and it's actually out because we've got

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half a life even though that laughter

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with no way said it's like living into a

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wise yeah and not knowing what one of

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them is yes we have to get you know we

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have to be okay with a lot of stuff like

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not ever having any answers we have to

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be okay with cat doesn't matter if we

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lock our dough you know yeah this

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there's no safety anymore there's no

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bubble you know we have to be up well

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right

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your first experience what do you

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remember from right from the first one

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while sitting on the outside toilets

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meeting top your meeting is actually a

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Gaston that sits on the out on top of

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the outside toilet and then talking it

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were bird probably hours are going to

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laugh anyway but yeah where I am not

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verbally speaking it's telepathy so it's

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normal

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at that part but then his her grew as

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days went on I'm actually doing after we

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pass a half verbal I could do both yeah

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so I just remember the very first bit

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was i'm sat on the midden on the outside

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toilet top wall and a bird Blackbird

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being sat next well it won't air black

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bear disease Sochi was a black bird the

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color black but I'm totally sure what

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bird it well you know anyway it just you

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sit right next to me and ask me

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questions and I just thought this one

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Armel so everyday questions like how is

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your family do you like your family do

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you like school blah blah blah and to me

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it wasn't unusual because it fell year

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old I didn't know any different so I

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didn't know that our was speaking

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through it in my mind was not normal

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everybody else you know sir this and

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then it off safe yeah I'll come back

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whatever go off over the roof so much

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misfit a bit on the sleigh sunroof

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opposite and then I Kelly I'm doing me

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I'm saying playing you know you get a

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little bit of stone and he is scratching

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it on storm you know I'm writing your

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name and stuff like that and new Mahmud

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shout me in you know for me dinner or

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whatever so because this one I used to

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got a nursery in the mornings so I'd be

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free all afternoon and then it happened

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again the day after that I'd sit on the

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mid lane the either the bird would be

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sat there with we're in for me to go up

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to where I come down

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you know it's it watch me because I am

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you it with that some reason it's like

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at four years old yeah you tend to

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forget what happened yesterday you know

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what I mean it was like but somehow I

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used to know a look up there and then it

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had come down and it had asked the same

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questions but in a different sort away

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so the light did you enjoy school Adair

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do you like it mommy and dad they you

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know what I mean it's stuff like that

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and not what I was doing sat there why

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it was sat there play game you know I

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mean if if I were to ask a question if

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someone had sale what you doing you know

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what I mean

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why Sam Europe I'm the meeting top what

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you know know it well number that what I

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were doing there and then it was like

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all based on family and what I was doing

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it you know you like school yeah and it

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were every day sometimes it didn't even

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talk it were every day through the

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somewhere in that when it were raining

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and that I didn't play out but I'd still

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see the bird outside the window looking

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and then away one particular time this

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has gone on art we're through six up six

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week Allah days my mom said this must

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have had a good summer because I

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remember it there being no that all the

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time you know and this particular time

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the birds come down old I can't remember

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have rights up there first up birds sat

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there first I can't remember and my

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neighbor up the street

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this is I will remember this one in

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particular me never denied far I'd give

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mates used to go to rock and roll like

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it won't want a dance it what no idea

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competitions and that for dancing yeah

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alright yeah one of them and they it

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were a flare Downton in West and I mean

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obviously like 12 times size is too big

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and these little that were massive you

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know scrape along as I'm walking

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and so I put that on and it's Deva come

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down no it would that befall me but then

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I was sat then it said the same question

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again but in a different I don't know

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how many times you can a caesarian

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questions in you know six life week

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worth of different ways I always

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understood by this pine I were verbally

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talking and telepathically talking so I

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could do both bilingual so anyway a man

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named at some point and must have been

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looking at kitchen window and she said

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oh you're talking and this bird gone it

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would just gone straight up on that roof

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and then you've come back down looking

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at my mom new bad thing because I've

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been talking a tinker now if you put

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that bit in we could check it we were

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all together and your mom just came out

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with it you did we weren't talking about

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it she said do you remember when you

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used to sit and talk it talks of that

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bird and you ain't yeah it's just said

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you called it inker and you couldn't you

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forgotten that bit I couldn't well I

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don't even I don't even remember ate

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nevermind forgot yeah yeah you called

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the Inca so now I went and I was

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googling all that kind of stuff trying

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to figure out why why would you call it

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Inca I was googling all kinds of things

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and it turns out the Incas actually the

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name of a type of black bird so that was

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really interesting because how would you

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even know that far old

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yeah I remember you know the things that

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if I remember call an Inca now it to me

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that is fairly unusual not to remember a

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name yeah I remember all the other

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little bits that come with it all the

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other bit of details and you know my mom

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say you know going out and remember so

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we been talking that inker again you

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know what that's what she say I'd said

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yeah in kurogane and so she'd heard me

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talking so sometime talking verbally so

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they Blackbird I was talking

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telepathically so I'm answering

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something to her very silent and they

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under it just sat there it didn't say a

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word

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just say I had one of them little stones

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in me and I was just kind of scratching

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you know made in topper toilet and we'll

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just sat there looking at each other

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going laughs and it lockdown Willie said

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look at what put me look down look up at

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me and it would asylum I don't know long

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it's at there it was just silent and

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then it said I've got to go I'll be back

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at some point you know what I mean it

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was not that exact words I can't

278
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remember the exact words but I would

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absolutely destroy oh no say I'll come

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I'll see you'll be seeing the alert or

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something it was somewhat to that effect

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anywhere and I never saw it again after

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that but it was in it twelve upwards

284
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that's when I started seeing the grace

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sir he's thinking it's that it will

286
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either one of them it was connected to

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that it's coming through that I have no

288
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idea his even just we weren't talking

289
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about it and haven't even been talking

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she go I won't bother talking about in

291
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front of my mom she don't believe her

292
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own weakness me talking over bird but

293
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that bird would not less if anybody come

294
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a while to be gone you know it's a

295
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totally unapproachable it was a people

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but it were like it's always someone

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else to me you know I mean I it's not

298
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always about aliens it's not always

299
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about paranormal events things moving

300
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does summon their invoices I mean you

301
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can't get much weirder than talking to a

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bird and the classic sounds bonkers but

303
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it was tündi and the pig yeah that's six

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years old it still oh god I totally

305
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forgot about that because I'm getting

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old that I'm thinking oh god yes so

307
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you've gotta pull it out for me remember

308
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now the candy and the weird one but it's

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terrifying familiar and for the dog so

310
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he had the golden retriever and my mom

311
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mister excuse me sir my mom used to do

312
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washing every night I think she did up

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until she did she caught Polly last year

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yeah

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but she's sitting the keychain with the

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washing machine I'm just watching the

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washed you go around and round anyway so

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what do you do it six-year-old these

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notes are do you know what I mean

320
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so my sister I don't know why she well

321
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she might have been playing upstairs or

322
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out with a friend

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that's it babe map because it were quite

324
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little pretty lit when it happened so

325
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anyway um I mean they live in Rome with

326
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the golden retriever whatever Carla

327
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golden Labrador sorry got me all mixed

328
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up now so cold it can day and it all

329
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works happily would I buy anywhere so we

330
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did saying we can't we won't scold their

331
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cats are we in it works out it would a

332
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boy so anyway yeah so I'm playing with

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me dog

334
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chem day and that's it and me mum used

335
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to have like me now I still have my

336
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curtains open a bit cuz I absolutely

337
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feel locked in of the ways totally a

338
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group if if I can't see anything outside

339
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even if it is that so my mum at the gap

340
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like this so the I of me my I'd probably

341
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come just above the windowsill like that

342
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and I'm used to say candy come on this a

343
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pig at winter and abused to tap on the

344
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window cell you know come to come on

345
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Lisa pick up wind and it goes go

346
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bounding of a big floppy legs and jump

347
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upon a windowsill and look out like that

348
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forget it I'm going you know what I mean

349
00:21:26,430 --> 00:21:21,250
so I'd like my mum's in kitchen again

350
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where she sat watching washer candy

351
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these I think it window compounded age

352
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I'm going down this went on for days

353
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and tell me mum used to shout at me

354
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parlor stop it without don't you know

355
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winding no go sir

356
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no in a bit good [\h__\h] about that but an

357
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:45,570
edge of a few more in bit Farah stopped

358
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so anywhere it's particular night now

359
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I'm not sure I'm losing it there because

360
00:21:59,859 --> 00:21:56,509
it would ever fix up a stay

361
00:22:02,379 --> 00:21:59,869
and the streets were a lot quiet as a

362
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min 7/8 you know they know people

363
00:22:05,169 --> 00:22:04,399
shouldn't ask that's the stair doing

364
00:22:07,749 --> 00:22:05,179
that with it

365
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you know the little shops up and they

366
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all shut at 6 or 5 or whatever and

367
00:22:18,729 --> 00:22:16,669
anyway sir I caused the dog in cheese

368
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while showing again or doing were a

369
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viewing keychain candy litter pickup

370
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window in an area bound impasse on

371
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flower stilts at window cell and it

372
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didn't have the same reaction as what it

373
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had all them of the times and oh wait

374
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we're not still wagging and you know

375
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excite in and it just stopped and it

376
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were floors they still don't work they'd

377
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the the me and tie your dog just for us

378
00:22:59,799 --> 00:22:56,959
and I'm looking at it likely normally

379
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you'd get down you know new go back in

380
00:23:07,239 --> 00:23:03,979
keep him you know nothing and I'd say it

381
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would like that 10 seconds don't same a

382
00:23:13,629 --> 00:23:10,579
long time but when you stood on there

383
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watching it it's like forever you know

384
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and then all of a sudden it started

385
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yelping and it slowly

386
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come away I mean really slow come away

387
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from the window is that point where it's

388
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pushing Windell age drops down under its

389
00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:30,399
fate

390
00:23:38,919 --> 00:23:34,609
backs off not not taking its eyes off at

391
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window just totally backs away and when

392
00:23:45,939 --> 00:23:41,059
it gets to middle at room spins around

393
00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:45,949
and that she's often at keychain and my

394
00:23:49,689 --> 00:23:48,289
mom so what we done of the dog and done

395
00:23:51,939 --> 00:23:49,699
anything as a dog what if you don't know

396
00:23:55,779 --> 00:23:51,949
they don't I'm thinking right what is

397
00:23:59,199 --> 00:23:55,789
out there what is he saying you know so

398
00:24:01,509 --> 00:23:59,209
I gets to the window I opened the

399
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:01,519
curtain a bit more and I could hear him

400
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:04,129
up because he could clatter at top rail

401
00:24:09,850 --> 00:24:07,369
and I heard my mom say stop messing

402
00:24:12,850 --> 00:24:09,860
about with I'm Curt and you know

403
00:24:17,470 --> 00:24:12,860
so I get stuck to the window and I'm

404
00:24:20,980 --> 00:24:17,480
looking now right no couldn't see oh so

405
00:24:24,399 --> 00:24:20,990
I did see kind of a shadow movement in

406
00:24:27,399 --> 00:24:24,409
front at winter but know that I could

407
00:24:29,980 --> 00:24:27,409
focus on without going like that yeah

408
00:24:32,889 --> 00:24:29,990
obviously didn't wear glasses then so

409
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:32,899
check my glasses off now a bit rail chat

410
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:34,970
window like that's a block the light

411
00:24:41,529 --> 00:24:38,090
that willing to live in room that we had

412
00:24:43,899 --> 00:24:41,539
on cause it's not big light well um it's

413
00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:43,909
blocking that light and there were no

414
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:45,529
other light coming from the outside

415
00:24:53,789 --> 00:24:49,730
except to feel you know windows up and

416
00:24:57,850 --> 00:24:53,799
down straight and all I could see then

417
00:25:01,919 --> 00:24:57,860
was a Faris looking at right back at me

418
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:01,929
about the same height as me and it adds

419
00:25:10,299 --> 00:25:07,250
bold eight bigger than mine the black

420
00:25:12,430 --> 00:25:10,309
eyes now when I said there's a pig at

421
00:25:17,710 --> 00:25:12,440
the window there's a pig at the window

422
00:25:20,289 --> 00:25:17,720
this didn't it now okay it's not asked

423
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:20,299
and all I could see were two walls now

424
00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:22,730
when you look at a pig it's the big

425
00:25:33,549 --> 00:25:29,929
tools in ya flap so and it's looking

426
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:33,559
right so between those we've got about

427
00:25:42,909 --> 00:25:37,850
that much yeah you know and the Parana

428
00:25:48,129 --> 00:25:42,919
glass in between I don't know what's

429
00:25:51,330 --> 00:25:48,139
that of most me RA this sort of thing

430
00:25:57,070 --> 00:25:51,340
but as I'm pulling away I could see it

431
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:57,080
pulling away but the world that we had

432
00:26:04,060 --> 00:25:59,360
outside the house is still there now is

433
00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:04,070
about maybe three feet tall stone wall

434
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:10,750
and I saw where kind of go backwards and

435
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:14,960
glide backwards but even though the lake

436
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:20,559
was the legs were in the motion of

437
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:23,360
movement if it was actually moving on

438
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:23,600
the

439
00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:27,440
slaw it wasn't it was it it glided but

440
00:26:34,919 --> 00:26:30,470
with the lights been Merton and it was

441
00:26:38,350 --> 00:26:34,929
so smooth and soft the way that it did

442
00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:38,360
and it was slow as well they're pretty

443
00:26:46,690 --> 00:26:42,460
slow and all of a sudden it lund eight

444
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:46,700
turn to face up the straight looks right

445
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:53,200
at me like that and it went right over

446
00:27:00,730 --> 00:26:55,850
but it's a it's great you said to apply

447
00:27:04,659 --> 00:27:00,740
it up looking forward and it all I could

448
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:04,669
see if it was saying was a blue navy

449
00:27:09,010 --> 00:27:06,710
blue I mean I could say it's nearly blow

450
00:27:11,740 --> 00:27:09,020
because the light from the house is

451
00:27:14,740 --> 00:27:11,750
outside the window now as I can see you

452
00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:14,750
know my eyes of it just stayed it's very

453
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:15,830
navy blue

454
00:27:24,460 --> 00:27:19,250
let's go around chorus it's got long

455
00:27:26,740 --> 00:27:24,470
sleeves and as it starts running well

456
00:27:31,899 --> 00:27:26,750
it's running up the street with it bent

457
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:31,909
right up looking at me like that I guess

458
00:27:38,049 --> 00:27:35,450
I can see so far as to the gear and when

459
00:27:40,510 --> 00:27:38,059
it gets past the gear I can see that

460
00:27:44,890 --> 00:27:40,520
what it's wearing is like a one-piece

461
00:27:47,620 --> 00:27:44,900
thing and the the blue type don't finish

462
00:27:51,130 --> 00:27:47,630
is adjustable for me so it's like a

463
00:28:14,830 --> 00:27:51,140
cyclists like lycra thing that's like

464
00:28:17,230 --> 00:28:14,840
swear you know it one I didn't see only

465
00:28:20,289 --> 00:28:17,240
its kind of insignia on there or

466
00:28:23,770 --> 00:28:20,299
anything but then it were too quick as

467
00:28:27,730 --> 00:28:23,780
it were moving anywhere but I've got a

468
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:27,740
good look at the fee as well so that

469
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:32,090
stirred him in mind the fee I'd have to

470
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:35,809
drive that explain now how they actually

471
00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:37,250
look because to me fingers

472
00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:42,430
capture that kind of motion yeah yeah

473
00:28:49,420 --> 00:28:45,830
but it actually glided but then it did

474
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:49,430
run you know like the straight actually

475
00:28:58,660 --> 00:28:56,570
run down six-six yeah and I like quick

476
00:29:01,210 --> 00:28:58,670
shopkins I'm going to shoot women

477
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:01,220
warming keychain

478
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:03,530
I don't remember Sheila probably

479
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,210
questioned me and said you know what

480
00:29:09,790 --> 00:29:08,000
would be messing about in there and you

481
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:09,800
know it succeed all can you tell some

482
00:29:13,410 --> 00:29:11,690
parents might be a talk to the mom about

483
00:29:16,420 --> 00:29:13,420
them sort of things

484
00:29:18,550 --> 00:29:16,430
my mum won't like that you know she was

485
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:18,560
a very private woman and she never

486
00:29:26,860 --> 00:29:21,050
discussed birds and bays never mind all

487
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:26,870
else I couldn't bring myself to tell her

488
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:30,650
you know so that would that with that at

489
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:38,570
six yeah Wow so yeah let's experience

490
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:39,650
what I've been when you were about

491
00:29:46,270 --> 00:29:43,690
twelve right there's a few at twelve

492
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:46,280
right so

493
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:49,760
oh is it one at 12 - at 12 one at 13 and

494
00:30:02,560 --> 00:29:59,110
Madhavi

495
00:30:04,690 --> 00:30:02,570
so this one is that me and my friend so

496
00:30:08,980 --> 00:30:04,700
at this gap sorry like start again we've

497
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:08,990
got this you know six year gap something

498
00:30:17,620 --> 00:30:10,490
might have happened if it as I don't

499
00:30:20,620 --> 00:30:17,630
recall every single night well I mean I

500
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:20,630
think the little periods of time maybe

501
00:30:30,580 --> 00:30:24,110
you taken a lot but then there's massive

502
00:30:36,810 --> 00:30:30,590
gaps in between years I must tell you

503
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:40,300
me a friend she would have been older

504
00:30:44,170 --> 00:30:41,930
think about two and a half year older

505
00:30:47,530 --> 00:30:44,180
than me and should have been

506
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:47,540
irresponsible my a was so she kind of

507
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:49,690
led me astray you know

508
00:30:55,950 --> 00:30:53,200
and so she says come on work it Oh me

509
00:30:59,630 --> 00:30:55,960
whoever down in woods Judy would say

510
00:31:02,370 --> 00:30:59,640
Carla it's not the person judy was

511
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:02,380
actually would seem Bradford

512
00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:05,650
he's a if you look it up people it is a

513
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:09,160
well-known spot for UFOs in the past in

514
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:12,130
the eighties in which case they're fast

515
00:31:18,570 --> 00:31:15,810
that is when I had my experience so I

516
00:31:21,870 --> 00:31:18,580
think him alone sees people we're going

517
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:21,880
to me you know I mean I had no idea so

518
00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:23,290
um you know I'm checking it we're

519
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:25,870
meeting some some of her mates are some

520
00:31:32,490 --> 00:31:29,410
words that we fancied so no one thinking

521
00:31:35,610 --> 00:31:32,500
like that so vain you know I mean I'm

522
00:31:39,540 --> 00:31:35,620
like well go with floor you know so

523
00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:39,550
anyway we sets off and is quite a when

524
00:31:43,470 --> 00:31:40,870
you're twelve years old it's quite a

525
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:43,480
long walk so for me yet Judi once at

526
00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:50,850
Woodside I'd say 45 minutes to get there

527
00:31:56,970 --> 00:31:54,100
by 4:00 so if that's if you know well

528
00:32:01,140 --> 00:31:56,980
little D meals to go down you know cut

529
00:32:03,390 --> 00:32:01,150
through Alice's and stuff so now I'm

530
00:32:04,830 --> 00:32:03,400
just losing it now on timing

531
00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:04,840
it's all written down in a journal

532
00:32:09,270 --> 00:32:06,670
upstairs you've seen the piece of paper

533
00:32:12,780 --> 00:32:09,280
but as I'm getting older I'm losing that

534
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:12,790
time in thing you know it's kind of bit

535
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:18,130
blurry and everywhere so when the times

536
00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:19,930
it didn't match up so I thinking what

537
00:32:31,230 --> 00:32:26,740
about whopper six f / six I don't know

538
00:32:34,530 --> 00:32:31,240
anyway when we set off and by the time

539
00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:34,540
we got there know it were dark and we've

540
00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:37,750
got to the age now I'll remember from

541
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:41,230
daddy's from setting off we walking and

542
00:32:47,490 --> 00:32:42,640
talking and then all I remember is

543
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:47,500
getting the edge of a Snicket again will

544
00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:50,250
whatever you wanna call it and there's

545
00:32:55,860 --> 00:32:53,980
there's a big face each side there's

546
00:32:58,860 --> 00:32:55,870
only enough room well there's enough

547
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:58,870
room for two people at a posh to walk

548
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:02,080
down this little path and then it

549
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:03,970
narrows to UM

550
00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:06,399
so other person's got walking from our

551
00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:09,700
behind yeah so if it's fence I've I

552
00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:12,539
think I've been about a beam pretty tall

553
00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:14,740
sitting so what about twelve it I don't

554
00:33:23,940 --> 00:33:16,750
think I've grown much since I were 12 in

555
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:23,950
our I mean everyone it's our least in

556
00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:26,470
over it okay I think same I get any

557
00:33:34,019 --> 00:33:31,960
bigger so this this fence and it's

558
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,029
pretty I'd say it's about a good six

559
00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:37,679
four and these houses

560
00:33:41,610 --> 00:33:39,820
you know like they'll have a bit of a

561
00:33:43,529 --> 00:33:41,620
bad and then I'll so you could see

562
00:33:45,629 --> 00:33:43,539
distance we take ounce and out see

563
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:45,639
because if his guard and you know

564
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:48,129
there's a garden there and it's a mat

565
00:33:54,690 --> 00:33:51,519
that side and as he getting kind of

566
00:33:57,899 --> 00:33:54,700
lower down the Alice's are getting

567
00:34:01,200 --> 00:33:57,909
further back so I'm assuming the gardens

568
00:34:04,139 --> 00:34:01,210
are ever getting bigger ah I don't know

569
00:34:09,230 --> 00:34:04,149
how it works but I'm just carrying I'm

570
00:34:11,399 --> 00:34:09,240
following this fence and then trees

571
00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:11,409
appear so we're actually getting into

572
00:34:15,690 --> 00:34:12,460
the woods now

573
00:34:18,690 --> 00:34:15,700
so and then the kind of fence kind of

574
00:34:21,869 --> 00:34:18,700
it's getting back a whole lot darker so

575
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:21,879
all we kind of following is like moon

576
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,250
why are you know we didn't have mobile

577
00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:27,040
phones and so a matter if you ate your

578
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:36,220
carrots II can say yeah Somalia from

579
00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:38,409
both from below we're down this little

580
00:34:43,859 --> 00:34:42,040
you know sneaky thing until the outs is

581
00:34:47,069 --> 00:34:43,869
diminished and I will were left way

582
00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:47,079
we're like trees and then the trees just

583
00:34:53,879 --> 00:34:50,790
suddenly stopped now

584
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:53,889
because I couldn't see it that far in

585
00:35:00,329 --> 00:34:57,490
front of us I think she will be I me at

586
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:00,339
this moment so when it kind of the fence

587
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:03,970
stop they opened up she's uh Nora she's

588
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:08,410
come Saida me and it's because I was

589
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:10,260
carrying I'm walking and I kind of

590
00:35:17,609 --> 00:35:14,650
realized I could hear water so I ate

591
00:35:20,249 --> 00:35:17,619
kind of it Oh God yeah I mean nope nope

592
00:35:25,859 --> 00:35:20,259
makes that kind of sushi so you know I

593
00:35:30,329 --> 00:35:25,869
mean jump back a bit and you know in the

594
00:35:33,809 --> 00:35:30,339
lines of [\h__\h] you know so anyway we kind

595
00:35:36,359 --> 00:35:33,819
of stood there on age and you know a bit

596
00:35:38,970 --> 00:35:36,369
of a conversation we go back now with no

597
00:35:41,279 --> 00:35:38,980
saying well what we're for anywhere and

598
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:41,289
idea what you know what I mean I don't

599
00:35:45,150 --> 00:35:43,089
know gum because I was so focused on

600
00:35:54,059 --> 00:35:45,160
trying to fumble my way down this

601
00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:54,069
Snicket so next minute I sees 24 no it's

602
00:35:57,089 --> 00:35:56,289
not even 24 I'd sit with ten foot in

603
00:36:02,940 --> 00:35:57,099
front a man

604
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:02,950
all of a sudden it were like something

605
00:36:12,269 --> 00:36:07,569
had lit the dewatered up ten foot in

606
00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:12,279
front of me in a circular but it wasn't

607
00:36:20,579 --> 00:36:16,390
penetrating under the water you know

608
00:36:24,089 --> 00:36:20,589
what I mean in a MOOC a lake or

609
00:36:26,789 --> 00:36:24,099
reservoir or whatever it is in Makkah

610
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:26,799
enough sites you know it's not murkier

611
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,680
out like they should have been able see

612
00:36:32,789 --> 00:36:31,599
with this light but it didn't it didn't

613
00:36:36,450 --> 00:36:32,799
penetrate the water at all

614
00:36:41,549 --> 00:36:36,460
so don't it will like oh and there were

615
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:41,559
kind of a how can I put it you know when

616
00:36:48,359 --> 00:36:43,930
you get double even on reservoirs you

617
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:48,369
get the waves it still effects it with

618
00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:53,410
that but it like growing away so we're

619
00:37:00,180 --> 00:36:56,470
coming this way but in in this circle

620
00:37:02,609 --> 00:37:00,190
bit it it kind of bubbly a bit and the

621
00:37:04,499 --> 00:37:02,619
waves were going outwards so like

622
00:37:08,549 --> 00:37:04,509
somebody pushing some it down and

623
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:08,559
causing okay little ways I'm not talking

624
00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:11,650
you know tsunamis you know I mean they

625
00:37:23,819 --> 00:37:14,380
could see what it were doing and these

626
00:37:26,579 --> 00:37:23,829
little tiny bubbles within and it would

627
00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:26,589
pressure some sort of force that was

628
00:37:36,110 --> 00:37:30,870
causing the movement in the water

629
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,120
no idea I've not but when I'm looking at

630
00:37:41,420 --> 00:37:38,160
these like tiny little bubbles appearing

631
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:41,430
or like I think it's fish that cause

632
00:37:46,460 --> 00:37:42,900
them little bubbles to come up now and

633
00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:46,470
again they say I don't know okay tiny

634
00:37:53,660 --> 00:37:50,070
bubbles and I could see sparkly sort of

635
00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:53,670
Sheen to it within this circle and water

636
00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:56,760
and then is I'm like where's that from

637
00:38:02,120 --> 00:37:59,460
it took me a few seconds to think was

638
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:02,130
this light coming from and they kind of

639
00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:07,020
looked old and I've never ever seen

640
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:09,630
anything like it in my life

641
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:14,970
is this thing now I think you once said

642
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:17,430
the way that I could only describe it is

643
00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:20,970
like a boomerang with another lake on

644
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:25,470
their inner sites yeah as rounded and

645
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:31,890
then it goes like that and so it's not a

646
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:33,720
triangle but if he squashed the side

647
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:43,740
same got three yeah it's everywhere like

648
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:45,890
a bit like a propeller but there's three

649
00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:51,450
yeah yeah so I can't describe things as

650
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,780
could do some reason so I'm seeing this

651
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:56,160
and it's nice

652
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:00,480
Oh cry it's not like it's flat it's

653
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:05,400
straight up right 20 feet that way 20

654
00:39:11,090 --> 00:39:08,370
feet that where the beam of light I

655
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:11,100
can't even see which part of that craft

656
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:14,700
is coming from but it's like that in its

657
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:17,310
this is not a man you know it's not a

658
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:22,680
massive beam it's just maybe about that

659
00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:29,090
big the beam yeah anyway well anyway

660
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:33,990
it's a this thing as a as I described it

661
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:36,450
the other day and one of the one of the

662
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:38,820
videos I did about the triangle when I

663
00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:41,970
with that cave with a black circle in

664
00:39:46,779 --> 00:39:43,099
the center

665
00:39:50,549 --> 00:39:46,789
and they add our straight word that's

666
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:50,559
what analysts own was this deep dense

667
00:40:00,160 --> 00:39:57,170
black black circling sand and on each of

668
00:40:03,309 --> 00:40:00,170
these things it were growing round

669
00:40:07,210 --> 00:40:03,319
really really really slow

670
00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:07,220
likewise really slow really slow when

671
00:40:14,019 --> 00:40:10,069
that green light will not red light on a

672
00:40:19,390 --> 00:40:14,029
blue light absolutely no noise

673
00:40:23,499 --> 00:40:19,400
whatsoever no noise at all I could

674
00:40:26,349 --> 00:40:23,509
actually hear my breathing and no noise

675
00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:26,359
of the water lapping as I heard it when

676
00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:31,220
I first got there and I remember a look

677
00:40:39,279 --> 00:40:35,390
at there were no light shining of us as

678
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:39,289
such but I could say well now looked at

679
00:40:42,249 --> 00:40:41,569
me framed it everything just slowed

680
00:40:45,099 --> 00:40:42,259
right down

681
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:45,109
I will acting normal and then I went you

682
00:40:50,049 --> 00:40:46,880
know I don't know long ago I stood there

683
00:40:58,509 --> 00:40:50,059
and I looked at my friend it well I

684
00:41:05,499 --> 00:40:58,519
could say if I'd gone and she had this

685
00:41:08,469 --> 00:41:05,509
blue light I bathed in a blue light but

686
00:41:13,150 --> 00:41:08,479
I could see it also on me but when I

687
00:41:16,450 --> 00:41:13,160
kind of look to the object you can see

688
00:41:24,299 --> 00:41:16,460
this blue light only on the-- it only

689
00:41:32,799 --> 00:41:28,170
it sounds exactly like you know in Wales

690
00:41:34,589 --> 00:41:32,809
yes and obviously in my experience well

691
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:34,599
it was our group experience

692
00:41:38,620 --> 00:41:37,130
Danya was stood on the wall next to me

693
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:38,630
we were looking up at this light which

694
00:41:44,650 --> 00:41:41,930
was just worried but everything that the

695
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:44,660
light shone on was blue so even though I

696
00:41:54,670 --> 00:41:52,670
I it was blue so struck me now I'm doing

697
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:54,680
it because it were at a red light

698
00:41:59,919 --> 00:41:56,569
a green light and the blue line

699
00:42:03,400 --> 00:41:59,929
but these lights won't even bright there

700
00:42:07,479 --> 00:42:03,410
was so dull don't believe light don't

701
00:42:09,339 --> 00:42:07,489
get me wrong do it like cool is that you

702
00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:09,349
wouldn't expect you know like the one a

703
00:42:15,130 --> 00:42:11,689
bright green another one a piercing blue

704
00:42:19,659 --> 00:42:15,140
while there were more of a pastel a kind

705
00:42:22,769 --> 00:42:19,669
of you know anyway and so they won't

706
00:42:27,099 --> 00:42:22,779
bright enough to kind of go on worse

707
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:27,109
yeah no I mean yeah when I looked in

708
00:42:33,759 --> 00:42:29,390
that thing

709
00:42:36,359 --> 00:42:33,769
Oh obviously you can't see if it were on

710
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:36,369
me fast but when I look straight forward

711
00:42:45,429 --> 00:42:40,609
it's not there and then all of a sudden

712
00:42:50,259 --> 00:42:45,439
I went in for Marshall and I don't know

713
00:42:55,229 --> 00:42:50,269
I did it s this room and they were like

714
00:42:58,329 --> 00:42:55,239
we turned really slow and it's a moving

715
00:43:02,439 --> 00:42:58,339
it's like I'm getting lower and lower

716
00:43:09,130 --> 00:43:02,449
and lower down in as if I'm running

717
00:43:12,219 --> 00:43:09,140
myself in it round honey shunt I'm gone

718
00:43:15,219 --> 00:43:12,229
Oh black everything's flat next minute

719
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:15,229
I'm at the bottom of my stray it's like

720
00:43:22,899 --> 00:43:19,609
as if I've one date and I don't remember

721
00:43:24,999 --> 00:43:22,909
Oh in between that my friends not with

722
00:43:27,370 --> 00:43:25,009
me I have no idea

723
00:43:32,289 --> 00:43:27,380
I didn't even think where's my friend

724
00:43:35,620 --> 00:43:32,299
gone so I could do it all this carrying

725
00:43:39,579 --> 00:43:35,630
on on straight and so cause I'm just

726
00:43:43,089 --> 00:43:39,589
Frank corner sacré de aqui ciao in and

727
00:43:45,329 --> 00:43:43,099
you know I'm thinking what the old do we

728
00:43:49,390 --> 00:43:45,339
know my thoughts um do we live in a pair

729
00:43:51,609 --> 00:43:49,400
so I starts walking up straight and I

730
00:43:53,949 --> 00:43:51,619
could date and I'll adults wear out and

731
00:43:56,140 --> 00:43:53,959
the doorstep and people go no oh and

732
00:43:59,769 --> 00:43:56,150
they heard a few people say well nobody

733
00:44:02,409 --> 00:43:59,779
saner last time she went out with her

734
00:44:03,789 --> 00:44:02,419
work give names aware but last time she

735
00:44:06,939 --> 00:44:03,799
went out with a weather you know what I

736
00:44:10,330 --> 00:44:06,949
mean and nobody's seen and then this kid

737
00:44:12,130 --> 00:44:10,340
or were on this if it won't be ma

738
00:44:16,330 --> 00:44:12,140
the time because I always won it will

739
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:16,340
this keep it under this BMX thing six

740
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:18,770
you see your policy yeah policy is she's

741
00:44:22,570 --> 00:44:19,810
armed

742
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:22,580
so you know kids are hanging around me

743
00:44:28,930 --> 00:44:23,810
where have you been where have you been

744
00:44:29,770 --> 00:44:28,940
I was thinking because it was such a

745
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:29,780
shock

746
00:44:34,660 --> 00:44:32,720
I would totally confused walking up that

747
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:34,670
Street cuz I've got kids saying where've

748
00:44:45,550 --> 00:44:37,010
you been I don't say your mom's been

749
00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:45,560
looking figure I'm like wow right but me

750
00:44:50,770 --> 00:44:48,260
say enough at quarter past half past six

751
00:44:54,970 --> 00:44:50,780
so whatever time it won't we're only tea

752
00:44:58,060 --> 00:44:54,980
time ish for me going there

753
00:45:01,570 --> 00:44:58,070
three-quarters of an hour a me London

754
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,580
backward a while me thinking that rebel

755
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:03,680
it with that bar in that in between bed

756
00:45:09,490 --> 00:45:07,760
I don't remember time it should about no

757
00:45:15,070 --> 00:45:09,500
later than eight o'clock quarter past

758
00:45:17,020 --> 00:45:15,080
aid yeah so I'm walking obviously I've

759
00:45:18,940 --> 00:45:17,030
got kids surrounding me oh you should

760
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:18,950
tell him mum where you were going no

761
00:45:25,210 --> 00:45:22,400
Nina and I my house that baffled I

762
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:25,220
couldn't even answer as I'm walking up

763
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:27,530
the street it looks to me oh I'm getting

764
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:28,850
it world's my grandma's this is the

765
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:33,650
answer I mean now is me grandmas so as

766
00:45:36,940 --> 00:45:34,670
I'm getting closer

767
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:36,950
oh wow so she's welcome policeman stood

768
00:45:43,390 --> 00:45:41,510
at UH so I'm walking up and out then my

769
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:43,400
sister without she says she's gonna

770
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:52,850
[\h__\h] kill you now you know I mean so

771
00:45:59,290 --> 00:45:56,480
as I'm walking in the house mean um

772
00:46:01,120 --> 00:45:59,300
pushed me back Allegan at policemen went

773
00:46:02,860 --> 00:46:01,130
at all thinks and grabbed me by the arm

774
00:46:07,150 --> 00:46:02,870
where have you been

775
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:07,160
and I told me none that that I've been

776
00:46:12,070 --> 00:46:10,240
in the woods because I would get that

777
00:46:16,180 --> 00:46:12,080
know what I mean

778
00:46:20,170 --> 00:46:16,190
yeah so seen ah so I said well let me

779
00:46:22,420 --> 00:46:20,180
friends well well we're only friend she

780
00:46:23,540 --> 00:46:22,430
would outweigh opava blah where have you

781
00:46:25,850 --> 00:46:23,550
been

782
00:46:28,610 --> 00:46:25,860
she'll never be with a but I don't know

783
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:28,620
I just come out with it I don't know I'd

784
00:46:33,020 --> 00:46:31,110
rather say I don't know than said that

785
00:46:35,290 --> 00:46:33,030
what in words because I would be in

786
00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:35,300
their [\h__\h] you know what I mean

787
00:46:43,820 --> 00:46:40,200
so anyway eventually I just burst out

788
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:43,830
crying because I was frustrated the

789
00:46:49,220 --> 00:46:46,740
policeman men said do you realize what

790
00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:49,230
time it is do you know what time it is

791
00:46:54,860 --> 00:46:52,920
and I look to him and I'm like no they

792
00:46:57,130 --> 00:46:54,870
still thinking it's quite apostate are

793
00:47:00,920 --> 00:46:57,140
they having a laugh you know what me I

794
00:47:02,860 --> 00:47:00,930
don't know what is and he says it's 5:00

795
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:02,870
to midnight

796
00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:10,200
have you been I went I don't know

797
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:13,380
through tears and everything eventually

798
00:47:18,260 --> 00:47:16,530
be none let me through : stay upstairs

799
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:18,270
to me because there's no way I'm getting

800
00:47:25,310 --> 00:47:20,430
a Ebola came you know what I made for

801
00:47:29,570 --> 00:47:25,320
going no one and I'm like wait where did

802
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,580
Pauline go but then I'd forgotten about

803
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:31,440
a thing I'd forgotten

804
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:34,170
so I guess up the next morning and I'm

805
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,850
thinking oh no I mean I was gonna kill

806
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:37,440
me and I was gonna question me where

807
00:47:45,550 --> 00:47:40,250
have you been you know been nothing

808
00:47:49,790 --> 00:47:45,560
absolutely nothing nothing at all and

809
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:49,800
then it like I didn't see me friend for

810
00:47:55,930 --> 00:47:53,010
the ages and I don't know why I really

811
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:55,940
did not know why I did not see my friend

812
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,760
for ages it might have been weeks it

813
00:48:04,610 --> 00:48:01,920
might have been months it but she didn't

814
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:04,620
even cross my mind they were not there

815
00:48:10,730 --> 00:48:08,640
they were like me Pauline whatever see

816
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:10,740
what's up and where are you know what I

817
00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:13,710
mean nothing nothing at all that crossed

818
00:48:24,830 --> 00:48:21,390
my mind and it were only like it could

819
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:24,840
have been like years later that of you

820
00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:27,510
know mum slur I know it were a long time

821
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:32,040
that had gone by and I eventually got in

822
00:48:36,270 --> 00:48:34,050
contact with us you know live down road

823
00:48:38,070 --> 00:48:36,280
and I said room

824
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:38,080
that time that we got the Jodi words bah

825
00:48:49,940 --> 00:48:44,940
bah blah but it's like she was at home

826
00:48:55,650 --> 00:48:49,950
at quarter past nine yeah I got a yeah

827
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:55,660
at five to twelve what where what how

828
00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:00,540
Wayne know how does that work how yeah

829
00:49:07,950 --> 00:49:02,950
moment in time where she can't remember

830
00:49:10,170 --> 00:49:07,960
either but she Wilma she were on a lot

831
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:10,180
earlier than me so where would where

832
00:49:17,010 --> 00:49:15,520
would I wear daikon so that were into

833
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:17,020
that one it will like oh we all

834
00:49:21,780 --> 00:49:18,550
forgotten about not to mentioned it

835
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,790
again end of so you know how come you

836
00:49:26,190 --> 00:49:23,920
say you know I were really expecting my

837
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:26,200
grandma in the morning I was dreading

838
00:49:31,230 --> 00:49:28,930
coming downstairs I thought I am gonna

839
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:31,240
get no biggest bulletin and my life for

840
00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:33,250
going to them woods are question

841
00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:34,750
question question where did it go where

842
00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:38,760
did it go where'd it go I let nothing

843
00:49:45,210 --> 00:49:42,630
not even of my mom not even of my sister

844
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:45,220
smarter than you had about so you had

845
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:50,800
three four hours you see in time yep

846
00:49:56,130 --> 00:49:53,710
still cat thinks this day what happened

847
00:49:58,350 --> 00:49:56,140
I would just start running up this

848
00:50:01,560 --> 00:49:58,360
Snicket felt like I was kind of running

849
00:50:03,210 --> 00:50:01,570
in at ground really slow blackout next

850
00:50:11,790 --> 00:50:03,220
minute I'm at the bottom of mystery

851
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:11,800
walking up yeah good

852
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:15,490
no weird one more time dude way yeah

853
00:50:19,740 --> 00:50:17,710
talking about what would be your next

854
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:19,750
experience when it happened

855
00:50:34,530 --> 00:50:31,710
yeah thing ever so I can't pick you up

856
00:50:38,970 --> 00:50:34,540
anything Liverpool II live in Bradford

857
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:38,980
it's over an hour in between yeah we got

858
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:41,170
to the end er Street and I said I'll

859
00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:42,910
just text Dave and they know that we're

860
00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:43,390
on our way

861
00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:48,310
so set it off see so Wow

862
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:50,710
so I get to Junction 12f to come off

863
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,160
Junction 12 then you go right and then

864
00:50:59,130 --> 00:50:56,640
you get onto the m62 towards Liverpool

865
00:51:04,620 --> 00:50:59,140
we have to go to a chamber which is the

866
00:51:11,850 --> 00:51:04,630
most nightmarish disaster of a rail

867
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:11,860
system and just outside Bradford drop me

868
00:51:21,420 --> 00:51:18,450
back so we're on now it's my house and

869
00:51:23,010 --> 00:51:21,430
we're chatting away about everything and

870
00:51:25,710 --> 00:51:23,020
I was like oh you've got the wrong way

871
00:51:27,870 --> 00:51:25,720
so we salute back round all the way up

872
00:51:32,610 --> 00:51:27,880
all the way back down and we have

873
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:32,620
roundabouts in in this country so you

874
00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:35,170
know so go backward loop round come back

875
00:51:47,810 --> 00:51:36,910
loop round get back answer the right

876
00:52:01,140 --> 00:51:54,870
everything just went weird silent which

877
00:52:04,070 --> 00:52:01,150
were never normally totally silent we

878
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:04,080
did somewhere and somewhat changed I

879
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:08,890
demand Chester right Edie yeah and but

880
00:52:13,590 --> 00:52:11,110
it was all because you don't drive so

881
00:52:16,350 --> 00:52:13,600
and you didn't know that very well you

882
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:16,360
the exact second I knew something wasn't

883
00:52:23,780 --> 00:52:16,690
right

884
00:52:29,580 --> 00:52:23,790
yes I was like back onto that m600

885
00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:29,590
Junction 12 yeah it also to Liverpool so

886
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:32,200
very amount on this three times now I

887
00:52:37,650 --> 00:52:35,170
stopped three times we were quiet all

888
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:37,660
the way back and that last stretch we

889
00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:43,090
were like just weird

890
00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:45,340
and when we did speak it was the odd

891
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:51,670
word yeah yeah no it was no it was so

892
00:53:01,140 --> 00:52:55,090
weird until we got home it changed back

893
00:53:02,670 --> 00:53:01,150
again yeah you know it was a relief

894
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,680
yeah but you didn't know

895
00:53:08,970 --> 00:53:04,960
how you knew that something wasn't right

896
00:53:11,970 --> 00:53:08,980
but at the very same second so yeah got

897
00:53:24,780 --> 00:53:11,980
to my house and Dave said you were quick

898
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:24,790
we were like what's young about three

899
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:28,930
times should have taken two hours so

900
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:31,510
yeah we found to tell him that more time

901
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:35,610
had passed then each realized and that

902
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:41,680
said one hour is no way unless I Drive

903
00:53:47,730 --> 00:53:43,510
at 300 miles an hour

904
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:47,740
which I would if I could it was no way

905
00:53:53,070 --> 00:53:51,130
there yeah we messed up three times I

906
00:53:55,830 --> 00:53:53,080
messed up sweet sounds got from Bradford

907
00:54:11,370 --> 00:53:55,840
to Liverpool in one hour

908
00:54:19,460 --> 00:54:11,380
like it's not it's not that was designed

909
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:19,470
Splenda so do you want me to talk about

910
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:24,370
when I was 13 then me next is it 12 Amy

911
00:54:30,690 --> 00:54:26,770
next one after that we were talking

912
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:30,700
about is this the one with the back yeah

913
00:54:37,230 --> 00:54:34,810
yes right so it was you socket you were

914
00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:37,240
just saying so I went round to pull it

915
00:54:42,290 --> 00:54:40,150
out on my back and boom that's when the

916
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:42,300
atmosphere changed in there in the car

917
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:45,280
yes sorry now that you were about to

918
00:54:54,180 --> 00:54:50,010
sound start yeah yeah

919
00:54:56,070 --> 00:54:54,190
anywhere sure we were twelve thirteen

920
00:55:00,540 --> 00:54:56,080
that I said me as I'm getting old to be

921
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:00,550
I'm losing it now but it's at times

922
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:03,570
irrelevant now so I don't care anymore

923
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:07,690
but anyway I'd say let me see how fair

924
00:55:20,410 --> 00:55:15,160
back in 212 so anyway I've got a bed and

925
00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:20,420
still were living with my grandma and I

926
00:55:27,620 --> 00:55:23,460
said a lot weird experiences before that

927
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:27,630
you know like it just from talking or

928
00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:30,930
bird to see me first you I thought candy

929
00:55:36,859 --> 00:55:33,960
and the pagan this light little bits in

930
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:36,869
between you know like a pendant bedroom

931
00:55:41,779 --> 00:55:40,079
so it's like it I've been in under the

932
00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:41,789
duvet because I'm used to sleep there

933
00:55:47,059 --> 00:55:45,180
was that scared I don't know what but I

934
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:47,069
was that scared and sleep until I can't

935
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:50,880
breathe and I mean get me a doubted over

936
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:54,480
yeah but so many times where it felt

937
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:56,609
like and we didn't even have cats at

938
00:56:03,019 --> 00:56:00,480
that moment well it felt like Simba day

939
00:56:05,930 --> 00:56:03,029
I've got the runs and we're going like

940
00:56:08,809 --> 00:56:05,940
that um they don't but with me bed and

941
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:08,819
then I've gone right one two three four

942
00:56:18,859 --> 00:56:12,660
five and as soon as I've gone that that

943
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:18,869
stop and I've been way to work so you

944
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:22,910
know there is a little bits in between

945
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:26,460
anyway so I get back to age twelve

946
00:56:31,999 --> 00:56:30,180
thirteen one sir and I've gone about

947
00:56:35,180 --> 00:56:32,009
this the ocean well in it and this is

948
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:35,190
what this is a between 12 and far Ain

949
00:56:43,490 --> 00:56:38,400
was a very heightened moment now I think

950
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:43,500
that's because ammonal and pure Besson

951
00:56:58,180 --> 00:56:50,700
and you know I mean yeah got about gon

952
00:57:04,640 --> 00:56:58,190
asleep next minute I remember Spain on a

953
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:04,650
like a metal steering with steel like a

954
00:57:12,730 --> 00:57:07,049
bench but with my like a terrible but

955
00:57:18,289 --> 00:57:12,740
bench it when either than a bones yeah

956
00:57:21,380 --> 00:57:18,299
not as bigger cetera so you know and you

957
00:57:24,049 --> 00:57:21,390
could have faced three people my size on

958
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:24,059
their spit whether or not you could it

959
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:24,510
was

960
00:57:28,609 --> 00:57:26,160
supposed to be they're full of the

961
00:57:31,730 --> 00:57:28,619
people at back of me I don't know but

962
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:31,740
anyway so it's a metal the metal thing

963
00:57:37,819 --> 00:57:33,690
I'd I can't even tell you whether lit up

964
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:37,829
lakes or it floor a dyke about wow I

965
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,710
don't know I can't even think of that

966
00:57:45,710 --> 00:57:42,720
because I'm actually sat on there so

967
00:57:48,589 --> 00:57:45,720
cats the Oh anywhere so every bit at

968
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:48,599
room is light I don't know where it's

969
00:57:53,660 --> 00:57:50,490
coming from but it's a fuse to me it's

970
00:57:57,279 --> 00:57:53,670
not dry it's pretty dull actually and

971
00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:57,289
this light that somewhere and I've got

972
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,140
some start when the arms in front of

973
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:03,839
member at me it's like an hour can do it

974
00:58:15,819 --> 00:58:09,690
smoothly eyes anywhere but beyond this

975
00:58:18,740 --> 00:58:15,829
lie it's very dark I know I'm in a room

976
00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:18,750
but I can't see where the room Felicia's

977
00:58:22,930 --> 00:58:21,480
because the further back it gets the

978
00:58:30,829 --> 00:58:22,940
blacker it gets

979
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:30,839
yeah yeah and I'm just sat there and all

980
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:36,450
of a sudden what feels like the tube I

981
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:39,210
can I can feel it now as I'm thinking

982
00:58:47,539 --> 00:58:43,970
about it right at the bottom of me spine

983
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:47,549
know where your coccyx she's alright

984
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:48,210
yeah

985
00:59:00,099 --> 00:58:56,250
and I felt somewhere cold been pushed in

986
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:00,109
through my skin nuts at point where I'm

987
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:04,319
in agony it did a little bit not much

988
00:59:09,019 --> 00:59:06,329
I can't see no I really not gonna I was

989
00:59:12,740 --> 00:59:09,029
screaming and all that but it enough to

990
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,750
me to know it's a come up right down

991
00:59:22,569 --> 00:59:15,359
there and I can feel it and I could feel

992
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:22,579
it going through and then what I just

993
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:24,089
found

994
00:59:30,049 --> 00:59:27,410
and then I kind of felt this stickiness

995
00:59:35,269 --> 00:59:30,059
going down you know don't

996
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:35,279
Scooby room don't crack your ass it's

997
00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:38,160
like a sticking hole

998
00:59:46,850 --> 00:59:42,540
then it'd be warm and I think I'll start

999
00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:46,860
let me out down there I've just found

1000
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:51,660
the strength to get me arms and put um

1001
01:00:00,460 --> 00:59:55,410
it took me ages to get pick me arms up

1002
01:00:03,650 --> 01:00:00,470
to pull back yeah

1003
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:03,660
so it's took me ages to pick me arms up

1004
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:05,510
off me legs

1005
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,290
Yakima and I fell like hands but born a

1006
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:18,000
bony things you know what I mean it was

1007
01:00:27,110 --> 01:00:22,110
cold cold but I remember me grandma sons

1008
01:00:29,450 --> 01:00:27,120
always feeling cold and born right and

1009
01:00:31,460 --> 01:00:29,460
she did she I don't know why cuz she

1010
01:00:35,350 --> 01:00:31,470
would a big layer doing grandma but she

1011
01:00:38,030 --> 01:00:35,360
always had right seen born eons and

1012
01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:38,040
because Allah Borneo knuckles look big

1013
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:43,350
and so the feel of them reminded me

1014
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:47,610
immigrant grandma's arms so I puts and I

1015
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:52,050
went like this and a feelin I got older

1016
01:01:01,730 --> 01:00:58,880
my arms gently brought him back put mama

1017
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:01,740
the tears I mean what would I could feel

1018
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:04,050
him pissing about the bottom of me back

1019
01:01:15,140 --> 01:01:08,640
and this damp wet clam a sticker warm

1020
01:01:18,260 --> 01:01:15,150
weird stuff moving and soap on there and

1021
01:01:20,930 --> 01:01:18,270
I'm like that still suffer I want to

1022
01:01:25,250 --> 01:01:20,940
know what it is so again I used to get

1023
01:01:27,830 --> 01:01:25,260
round to me back and again they've got

1024
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:27,840
one of them got that and it went like

1025
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,240
that I don't know if it was same thing

1026
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:32,880
that got that and and put it on top of

1027
01:01:43,070 --> 01:01:37,290
me over and like that and then they a

1028
01:01:46,070 --> 01:01:43,080
bare hand hovering over the touch me but

1029
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:46,080
the faster even though their hand I

1030
01:01:51,490 --> 01:01:49,610
could see now Claire is there it's old

1031
01:01:54,250 --> 01:01:51,500
its wrinkly

1032
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:54,260
it's got long fingers I can't say how

1033
01:02:00,130 --> 01:01:57,440
many fingers it's got hmm it's the

1034
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:00,140
brownie change not the time

1035
01:02:06,730 --> 01:02:04,370
but the brownie change and I could see

1036
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:06,740
him and I would like one set us outside

1037
01:02:11,950 --> 01:02:10,160
there John and the fingernails you know

1038
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:11,960
the ones that I saw down in the garden

1039
01:02:17,380 --> 01:02:14,690
they say he's because I'm gonna do it

1040
01:02:19,540 --> 01:02:17,390
without looking at ants and no matter

1041
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:19,550
how much I tried to move I could not

1042
01:02:26,260 --> 01:02:23,090
lift my arms away from my legs 11 it

1043
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:26,270
well then were carrying on listen about

1044
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:30,050
down me back but these fingernails and I

1045
01:02:33,820 --> 01:02:31,610
seen him there and they always look

1046
01:02:37,210 --> 01:02:33,830
right clean-cut like you just Adam

1047
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,220
sinned Allah and failed yeah

1048
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:39,680
and I'll never forget at the look at

1049
01:02:51,730 --> 01:02:46,480
them and so these bone if it anywhere I

1050
01:02:53,890 --> 01:02:51,740
just remember dane struggling struggling

1051
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:53,900
struggling to get my hands-free and it

1052
01:03:00,210 --> 01:02:56,090
just went happening at this point name

1053
01:03:04,540 --> 01:03:00,220
I'm seeing me peripheral feel and where

1054
01:03:07,570 --> 01:03:04,550
something stood there but now my eyes

1055
01:03:11,050 --> 01:03:07,580
aren't working enough to be able like

1056
01:03:13,690 --> 01:03:11,060
that you know certainly eyes sir and

1057
01:03:18,790 --> 01:03:13,700
then I'm feeling myself going deeper and

1058
01:03:24,370 --> 01:03:18,800
deeper into darkness and I'm gone next

1059
01:03:27,460 --> 01:03:24,380
morning I wake up and I get so obeyed I

1060
01:03:29,250 --> 01:03:27,470
said he was gone at window doing summer

1061
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:29,260
because me me grandma shared a bedroom

1062
01:03:35,650 --> 01:03:31,850
so the single bed at least side my

1063
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:35,660
grammar added that she says Paula you

1064
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:40,910
better get to the bathroom I went why so

1065
01:03:45,820 --> 01:03:43,310
she says I think you know you you've

1066
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:45,830
having a woman's problem you know what I

1067
01:03:54,580 --> 01:03:50,210
mean and I'm like look you know when you

1068
01:03:59,170 --> 01:03:54,590
know I'm you know Don uniting yet there

1069
01:04:02,860 --> 01:03:59,180
were blood all over their back so with

1070
01:04:06,250 --> 01:04:02,870
me laying down that's in there if so it

1071
01:04:09,260 --> 01:04:06,260
looks like a blood through it

1072
01:04:11,090 --> 01:04:09,270
so she better go get changed blah blah

1073
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:11,100
blah I'm sinking ghosts it's all about

1074
01:04:18,140 --> 01:04:13,890
yeah I ain't got notes happen to me I'm

1075
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:18,150
not come on my period and I'm a bit

1076
01:04:22,580 --> 01:04:20,250
confused myself at this point you know

1077
01:04:25,790 --> 01:04:22,590
so he had one of them remember them

1078
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:25,800
plastic cupboards that like you put you

1079
01:04:32,540 --> 01:04:28,740
two rushing and we had a bit of a run

1080
01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:32,550
from you know what I mean the plastic

1081
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:35,640
they were honorable and I think as a lot

1082
01:04:40,670 --> 01:04:38,970
a blue a color and it would pretty

1083
01:04:42,590 --> 01:04:40,680
lowdown cuz my grandma was smile

1084
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:42,600
anywhere so she does it put down a bit

1085
01:04:49,610 --> 01:04:46,050
so I lifted my nitrous up and I went

1086
01:04:53,290 --> 01:04:49,620
like that and there's blood all the way

1087
01:04:56,090 --> 01:04:53,300
where that little thing wah there's a

1088
01:05:01,130 --> 01:04:56,100
like a little tiny scab or four right

1089
01:05:04,370 --> 01:05:01,140
and three scratches it look like

1090
01:05:06,590 --> 01:05:04,380
fingernails I never grew my I bet my

1091
01:05:09,830 --> 01:05:06,600
nails until I would a middle a is until

1092
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:09,840
it got the got septic because I bit him

1093
01:05:18,860 --> 01:05:13,760
that much so they want my fingernails

1094
01:05:24,260 --> 01:05:18,870
from the top of me spine right down to

1095
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:24,270
the bottom in the middle the fingernails

1096
01:05:30,770 --> 01:05:29,370
scratch marks and I'm like but I

1097
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:30,780
remember what happened

1098
01:05:36,020 --> 01:05:33,900
I remember that what happened in night

1099
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:36,030
to me but I couldn't tell

1100
01:05:41,180 --> 01:05:39,810
no I am come on my period I couldn't

1101
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:41,190
tell about because she'd say well what

1102
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:43,290
was blood from then so that's another

1103
01:05:52,940 --> 01:05:46,400
thing I had to keep her you know quiet

1104
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:52,950
yeah you know so I wish I could now I

1105
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,720
wish I could go back to me now now as a

1106
01:05:58,490 --> 01:05:56,640
diet this up and that up and over and

1107
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:58,500
she won't be surprised at all

1108
01:06:03,530 --> 01:06:00,480
he's looking back now she wondered then

1109
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:03,540
you know I made obscene aspera I don't

1110
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:05,610
mean one of them grits every corner

1111
01:06:16,010 --> 01:06:09,960
balls say that she'd seen something over

1112
01:06:19,140 --> 01:06:16,020
this the answer I don't know whether

1113
01:06:21,450 --> 01:06:19,150
this would be far hour after I'd gone

1114
01:06:25,790 --> 01:06:21,460
bed one particular in one particular

1115
01:06:27,420 --> 01:06:25,800
night I mean for 1213 before aim and

1116
01:06:31,260 --> 01:06:27,430
same again

1117
01:06:36,180 --> 01:06:31,270
and I'd gone in such a deep sleep saw

1118
01:06:37,950 --> 01:06:36,190
quake and I all I remember is there's a

1119
01:06:44,490 --> 01:06:37,960
factory the one that set on fire you're

1120
01:06:46,830 --> 01:06:44,500
not so long ago a video yeah the chimney

1121
01:06:54,810 --> 01:06:46,840
that goes with there yeah so this is

1122
01:06:57,030 --> 01:06:54,820
like industrial Victorian makes a big

1123
01:07:03,510 --> 01:06:57,040
chimney just for people watching that's

1124
01:07:06,750 --> 01:07:03,520
kind of typical Bradford it was a city

1125
01:07:11,460 --> 01:07:06,760
you see in the world at one point it was

1126
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:11,470
like all industry and work houses and

1127
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:20,530
grimness but anyway and in fact so in in

1128
01:07:31,140 --> 01:07:27,610
this dream I'm stood on the roof of this

1129
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:31,150
factory my night race I've gotten

1130
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:38,250
engaged and installed in front of a big

1131
01:07:44,460 --> 01:07:41,920
if I go out with me arms they it's that

1132
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:44,470
big you know what as well as I can put

1133
01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:47,680
my arms a circular I think it would

1134
01:07:54,420 --> 01:07:51,910
orangey yellow ally it were on in G Ella

1135
01:07:58,800 --> 01:07:54,430
but it won't bright like I said it was

1136
01:08:01,710 --> 01:07:58,810
it with that the coolers that I could

1137
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:01,720
see from kind of that bit in that bit

1138
01:08:11,850 --> 01:08:08,050
and was like a pasta Lisa they're not

1139
01:08:13,950 --> 01:08:11,860
bright and so it's up like the but I

1140
01:08:16,380 --> 01:08:13,960
have to look straight at it it's in

1141
01:08:20,970 --> 01:08:16,390
she's from and I have to look straight

1142
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:20,980
up please big lie yeah the peripheral of

1143
01:08:29,550 --> 01:08:24,330
view I could see a man coming home from

1144
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:29,560
pub slain about working up button going

1145
01:08:33,190 --> 01:08:31,250
on

1146
01:08:36,099 --> 01:08:33,200
but I'm still looking for some kind of

1147
01:08:39,099 --> 01:08:36,109
mark concentrating now on what's going

1148
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:39,109
on there in the peripheral and I could

1149
01:08:49,809 --> 01:08:44,930
see me nan da calling the car you know

1150
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:49,819
so she's happy but she couldn't go she

1151
01:08:59,920 --> 01:08:53,330
could make that noise I'll shake how the

1152
01:09:03,309 --> 01:08:59,930
cat was I remember that clear is that

1153
01:09:07,499 --> 01:09:03,319
Ana Guevara and I'm thinking of myself

1154
01:09:10,930 --> 01:09:07,509
I wish me none could call a cat proper

1155
01:09:12,999 --> 01:09:10,940
call him depart the cat I could see

1156
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:13,009
chill in a crossroad me none stood at

1157
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:17,330
Darwin she looks down where I am

1158
01:09:24,340 --> 01:09:21,410
oh for the factory so I'm looking at her

1159
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,350
at my peripheral she's just seen what

1160
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:26,560
she's seen and looks apart for the male

1161
01:09:35,499 --> 01:09:33,040
comes clear aim star I'm assuming sir

1162
01:09:39,490 --> 01:09:35,509
I'm just stood there in front of this

1163
01:09:41,230 --> 01:09:39,500
thing it then it just it's strong I

1164
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:41,240
don't remember how in between that I

1165
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:44,690
wakes up in the morning doom and while I

1166
01:09:51,940 --> 01:09:49,759
am in it Manang were already downstairs

1167
01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:51,950
she'll making a cup of tea or wherever

1168
01:09:59,920 --> 01:09:56,150
sir I come running down steps and I

1169
01:10:02,980 --> 01:09:59,930
remember it were like the blood draining

1170
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:02,990
from there and me nan said you look like

1171
01:10:08,260 --> 01:10:05,110
you've seen a ghost

1172
01:10:10,930 --> 01:10:08,270
anyway I went no no I just don't feel a

1173
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:10,940
bit well I think this is when I was

1174
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:12,770
starting to realize that this was not

1175
01:10:19,900 --> 01:10:15,050
normal what we're going through so will

1176
01:10:23,380 --> 01:10:19,910
I all you know that rush of you know sir

1177
01:10:25,330 --> 01:10:23,390
um and they were sat there don't suffer

1178
01:10:28,270 --> 01:10:25,340
and I remember me now never III put on

1179
01:10:30,850 --> 01:10:28,280
table and oh she says all she says oh

1180
01:10:32,860 --> 01:10:30,860
you look a bit pale and you alright I'm

1181
01:10:36,910 --> 01:10:32,870
not yeah so she says you'll never guess

1182
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:36,920
what I saw last night and then what did

1183
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:38,510
you say what did you say like this

1184
01:10:42,919 --> 01:10:39,890
because I'm you what you're gonna say

1185
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:42,929
she said I saw flying saucer

1186
01:10:48,350 --> 01:10:46,530
I saw a flying saucer you like this you

1187
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:48,360
know I mean it she's going on a nun

1188
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:50,690
forget that bit where did you say yet

1189
01:10:58,640 --> 01:10:54,060
offered the mail at the bottom of the

1190
01:11:01,070 --> 01:10:58,650
stre and it was all different colors she

1191
01:11:03,700 --> 01:11:01,080
said it was so beautiful it were the

1192
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:03,710
most beautiful thing she'd ever seen

1193
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:06,960
orange light blue light pink light gold

1194
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:10,440
like silver light whatever lie different

1195
01:11:19,310 --> 01:11:14,570
hues of but not bright bright the way

1196
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:19,320
that said like passed away again and you

1197
01:11:23,149 --> 01:11:21,210
know I can't remember whether she said

1198
01:11:26,990 --> 01:11:23,159
it was spinning but while I'm studying

1199
01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:27,000
from that lie I don't recover lies it to

1200
01:11:33,260 --> 01:11:29,940
be moving around on earth but I would

1201
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:33,270
stood there so I didn't get to the point

1202
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:35,730
I don't remember or what whether she

1203
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,530
said it were going round or anything but

1204
01:11:43,870 --> 01:11:39,600
she said it were absolutely beautiful

1205
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:43,880
and thats how she described beautiful

1206
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:48,210
and it didn't don emit a Sarah where now

1207
01:12:04,490 --> 01:12:00,439
yeah so while I'm on that roof for this

1208
01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:04,500
UFO she's a doll watching that well I'm

1209
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:11,820
upstairs asleep I still never ever got

1210
01:12:20,660 --> 01:12:16,050
around to telling her about you know

1211
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:20,670
something going on in my brains and she

1212
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:23,850
the Judy woods thing yeah boomerang

1213
01:12:35,180 --> 01:12:26,640
types was like a boomerang with three

1214
01:12:38,620 --> 01:12:35,190
arms saying now if you imagine that

1215
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:38,630
we're excited rotating really quickly I

1216
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:45,330
danced oh my god yeah yeah so if it was

1217
01:12:50,510 --> 01:12:48,480
up in the air and flat spin it's like

1218
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:50,520
you look at fidget spin it's the same

1219
01:12:56,830 --> 01:12:55,440
sort of so you turn that really fast

1220
01:13:04,070 --> 01:12:56,840
it's just one bow

1221
01:13:06,050 --> 01:13:04,080
yeah yeah oh so we don't know what shape

1222
01:13:09,260 --> 01:13:06,060
they're really doing when we see them

1223
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:09,270
all you know we say it's a disc I'd not

1224
01:13:17,209 --> 01:13:13,050
be not all of them some of them will be

1225
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:17,219
yeah yeah yeah but this is what would

1226
01:13:29,870 --> 01:13:24,810
they snipe in 82 in 82

1227
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:29,880
hello 12 I had mostly paranormal stuff

1228
01:13:42,169 --> 01:13:36,570
it wasn't until 1992 I saw an alien and

1229
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:42,179
it was like midweek midday you know I

1230
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:43,920
had a baby

1231
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:48,480
my son Louie he was about he had that

1232
01:13:55,459 --> 01:13:52,650
little baby grow on that and so I think

1233
01:13:59,209 --> 01:13:55,469
he was about five months old he was body

1234
01:14:03,620 --> 01:13:59,219
knocked over something about about this

1235
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:03,630
time of year actually and I woke up

1236
01:14:07,220 --> 01:14:06,000
because I heard I was having an

1237
01:14:09,050 --> 01:14:07,230
afternoon nap and I would always

1238
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:09,060
everyone which se would lay on a stomach

1239
01:14:12,979 --> 01:14:09,840
on my chest

1240
01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:12,989
go to sleep if he hadn't know I'd have

1241
01:14:24,770 --> 01:14:22,110
enough Sasha wake up now just like that

1242
01:14:27,919 --> 01:14:24,780
so out my eyes right in front of me and

1243
01:14:29,859 --> 01:14:27,929
I'm laying on my side is this little

1244
01:14:34,490 --> 01:14:29,869
blue goblin yeah

1245
01:14:36,859 --> 01:14:34,500
really mushy black eyes yeah the lying

1246
01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:36,869
of a mouth it was just all wrinkles

1247
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:38,760
everything about it was kind of like

1248
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:41,850
these wobbly ring cousin yeah the chest

1249
01:14:47,780 --> 01:14:43,920
a little bit like really you know that

1250
01:14:52,669 --> 01:14:47,790
kind of critter yeah I can't wait the

1251
01:14:56,570 --> 01:14:52,679
brown Hadid cake thing on there okay

1252
01:14:58,609 --> 01:14:56,580
describe how blue I've never seen that

1253
01:15:00,800 --> 01:14:58,619
kind of blue anyway it's really really

1254
01:15:06,370 --> 01:15:00,810
deep but really really bright and it was

1255
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:06,380
just wrinkly house is just a slash

1256
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:09,770
because I've seen that in the tan ones

1257
01:15:15,070 --> 01:15:12,290
yeah well I shot this other one about

1258
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:15,080
varietals or louie and I just scrambled

1259
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:16,490
to the bottom of the bed and stood at

1260
01:15:21,790 --> 01:15:18,770
the back of the bed and there was

1261
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:21,800
nothing now I was like wow

1262
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,570
and that's how I'm shouting for Tim I'm

1263
01:15:27,610 --> 01:15:25,520
thinking he must have come on my knee

1264
01:15:30,130 --> 01:15:27,620
and he's walking went from a crazy dream

1265
01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:30,140
saying Sasha wake up there was nobody

1266
01:15:37,870 --> 01:15:34,310
there no one in the flats also there

1267
01:15:40,930 --> 01:15:37,880
like this is bizarre this something you

1268
01:15:43,630 --> 01:15:40,940
know like felt really really weird so I

1269
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:43,640
just start with a dream you know kind of

1270
01:15:49,780 --> 01:15:46,490
relegated to a dream until about 2006

1271
01:15:52,450 --> 01:15:49,790
when Steve Johnson and friends Ellen

1272
01:15:56,860 --> 01:15:52,460
Russell and Steve Johnson we were on UFO

1273
01:15:59,490 --> 01:15:56,870
day Sephora I was Callahan and might

1274
01:16:02,140 --> 01:15:59,500
look like after green bears all died

1275
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:02,150
they set up UFO dates the magazine which

1276
01:16:06,430 --> 01:16:04,370
ended up writing for them about anyway

1277
01:16:09,340 --> 01:16:06,440
they were we were all talking on the far

1278
01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:09,350
room and Steve Johnson said that he'd

1279
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:12,110
had a dream about one of these little

1280
01:16:16,750 --> 01:16:15,530
blue things riding his tricycle and they

1281
01:16:18,190 --> 01:16:16,760
did not think he was going to get it

1282
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:18,200
back he was bothered about getting it

1283
01:16:24,820 --> 01:16:22,610
back so they said you need to watch

1284
01:16:28,210 --> 01:16:24,830
communion which doesn't watch communion

1285
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:28,220
and so with my little thing popped out

1286
01:16:34,990 --> 01:16:30,370
from behind the vows with the flowers oh

1287
01:16:38,890 --> 01:16:35,000
my god just knew it wasn't a dream well

1288
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:38,900
now now I get accused of stealing

1289
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:41,810
witless Reapers account all always gonna

1290
01:16:54,450 --> 01:16:46,850
get she's nothing like she was account I

1291
01:17:01,780 --> 01:16:57,490
when people write of the dough that you

1292
01:17:10,740 --> 01:17:01,790
know you why would you want nobody wants

1293
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:13,300
also it doesn't happen - might want to

1294
01:17:18,970 --> 01:17:16,370
be in there but will [\h__\h] in there - see

1295
01:17:22,660 --> 01:17:18,980
it's not that cool right

1296
01:17:23,580 --> 01:17:22,670
another joke about this you know it's

1297
01:17:29,370 --> 01:17:23,590
not some

1298
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:29,380
being vain a lot of always said to you

1299
01:17:37,530 --> 01:17:34,030
and after the time when them being uh

1300
01:17:58,890 --> 01:17:37,540
you know I miss some really bad but

1301
01:18:03,990 --> 01:17:58,900
Wednesday and I'm like just you don't

1302
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:04,000
know yeah but now we don't because the

1303
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:06,480
aunt visited for quite a while Oh

1304
01:18:16,650 --> 01:18:15,040
wherever have come from I'm not I'm not

1305
01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:16,660
bothered with the dough coming out now

1306
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:21,310
any marks like I think calcium a

1307
01:18:28,230 --> 01:18:24,210
deathbed I don't know what it is saying

1308
01:18:29,940 --> 01:18:28,240
you know know between now and then I'm

1309
01:18:33,210 --> 01:18:29,950
not really bothered with him again

1310
01:18:40,230 --> 01:18:33,220
enough I miss them bad but not as bad as

1311
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:40,240
an oyster so when we met in 2012 well a

1312
01:18:45,420 --> 01:18:43,210
god that was the hardest time of my life

1313
01:18:48,660 --> 01:18:45,430
I was even harder than what was going on

1314
01:18:51,660 --> 01:18:48,670
in Wales yeah and I want to talk about

1315
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:51,670
half of what was going on but it was

1316
01:18:59,720 --> 01:18:55,210
just really fall to assess that you

1317
01:19:02,160 --> 01:18:59,730
turned up on my doorstep and because I

1318
01:19:06,420 --> 01:19:02,170
had anything to do with the grace up

1319
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:06,430
until that point just after when I met

1320
01:19:11,790 --> 01:19:09,010
you was just before that is when I saw

1321
01:19:14,580 --> 01:19:11,800
the triangle at games and I think that's

1322
01:19:16,530 --> 01:19:14,590
the one that topped it off after see no

1323
01:19:18,930 --> 01:19:16,540
you know what I've gone through because

1324
01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:18,940
it's all in between as well which love

1325
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:21,310
to discussion on another and the other

1326
01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:26,320
card him but these are in between but it

1327
01:19:35,790 --> 01:19:31,510
was the triangle oh no because then I've

1328
01:19:37,129 --> 01:19:35,800
got baby Robbie aliens and baby rabbits

1329
01:19:39,950 --> 01:19:37,139
and then the three

1330
01:19:43,790 --> 01:19:39,960
old son at the skull but they sat as

1331
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:43,800
well sold that kind of come in a row of

1332
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:46,650
and don't know where I go don't know a

1333
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:48,960
turn and then that's when I got put on

1334
01:19:59,050 --> 01:19:52,080
you old that add up and just before I

1335
01:20:04,430 --> 01:19:59,060
met you yeah you know well time 2012

1336
01:20:06,649 --> 01:20:04,440
because I took those photos those craft

1337
01:20:49,879 --> 01:20:06,659
whatever the where those objects in 2012

1338
01:20:51,410 --> 01:20:49,889
in July in July in a Bob I think you

1339
01:21:00,919 --> 01:20:51,420
should know anyway I think you should

1340
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:00,929
because hairy hairy creature yeah well

1341
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:06,960
we'll call it yeah so much must say oh

1342
01:21:20,890 --> 01:21:12,130
my god so many things so much good at

1343
01:21:29,689 --> 01:21:25,220
you know the UFO community is amazing

1344
01:21:32,899 --> 01:21:29,699
but it's also seriously [\h__\h] yeah Dave

1345
01:21:36,410 --> 01:21:32,909
and stuck and fast and there's so much

1346
01:21:42,830 --> 01:21:36,420
going on we ever talks about ugly any of

1347
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:42,840
my stuff no in the next episode about

1348
01:21:50,219 --> 01:21:48,359
I mean I've got so much amounted oh but

1349
01:21:51,899 --> 01:21:50,229
I'm also you know it I want to talk

1350
01:21:53,879 --> 01:21:51,909
about yours as well you know they ain't

1351
01:21:55,890 --> 01:21:53,889
just gonna be about me I don't want it

1352
01:21:57,899 --> 01:21:55,900
to be just me about me it's me and yo

1353
01:22:07,529 --> 01:21:57,909
Sasha because we've gone through a lot

1354
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:07,539
anyway yeah you know you know what this

1355
01:22:17,790 --> 01:22:11,050
stuff and I don't blame people for not

1356
01:22:20,489 --> 01:22:17,800
believing it's out there but at the same

1357
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:20,499
time you went through hell you were in

1358
01:22:24,209 --> 01:22:22,449
hell I've been through hell lived in

1359
01:22:28,169 --> 01:22:24,219
hell you know there's people out there

1360
01:22:30,899 --> 01:22:28,179
who were in hell and our words for those

1361
01:22:32,930 --> 01:22:30,909
people now everyone else then anyone

1362
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:32,940
else can believe or not believe support

1363
01:22:39,509 --> 01:22:36,159
partners whatever you know totally get

1364
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:39,519
it at the end of the day now it's a game

1365
01:22:46,290 --> 01:22:42,449
changer because we can all communicate

1366
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:46,300
and we talk we discover things this yes

1367
01:22:51,899 --> 01:22:49,690
stuff that technologies and all kinds of

1368
01:22:53,969 --> 01:22:51,909
things that we've figured out just

1369
01:22:56,299 --> 01:22:53,979
fighting me talking to you talking to

1370
01:23:00,750 --> 01:22:56,309
another woman just talking to two women

1371
01:23:04,199 --> 01:23:00,760
yeah that's quite a lot of stuff so yeah

1372
01:23:07,890 --> 01:23:04,209
I think what we'll do is get our

1373
01:23:11,790 --> 01:23:07,900
messages now bring this to a close now

1374
01:23:14,580 --> 01:23:11,800
and we will do some more recording again

1375
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:14,590
very soon but this is that word of

1376
01:23:41,419 --> 01:23:35,920
whatever it is we're doing maybe Friday

1377
01:23:47,370 --> 01:23:45,390
yeah do that cuz I am I I'm self

1378
01:23:50,459 --> 01:23:47,380
isolating so I need someone to fill me

1379
01:23:52,620 --> 01:23:50,469
time you know yeah yeah well there's a